{"id":16325,"date":"2022-10-08T01:00:19","date_gmt":"2022-10-07T23:00:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.infokuryr.cz\/n\/?p=16325"},"modified":"2022-10-07T14:52:40","modified_gmt":"2022-10-07T12:52:40","slug":"orban-u-klause-porada-disidentu-pred-hradni-macronovou-saskarnou","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.infokuryr.cz\/n\/2022\/10\/08\/orban-u-klause-porada-disidentu-pred-hradni-macronovou-saskarnou\/","title":{"rendered":"Orb\u00e1n u Klause: Porada disident\u016f p\u0159ed hradn\u00ed Macronovou \u0161\u00e1\u0161k\u00e1rnou"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"fb-root\"><\/div>\n<div id=\"ArticleTop\">\n<h2>Klaus: Pot\u0159ebovali u n\u00e1s Fialu, aby mohli zni\u010dit zbytky na\u0161\u00ed suverenity. Cht\u011bj\u00ed vytvo\u0159it US (E). Jakl: Ma\u010fa\u0159i sv\u00e9 z\u00e1jmy h\u00e1jit um\u011bj\u00ed. My se jen p\u0159imyk\u00e1me. Ke kaktusu<\/h2>\n<p class=\"clkPerex\"><strong><a class=\"clkAutor\" href=\"https:\/\/protiproud.info\/autor\/petr-hajek.htm\">PETR H\u00c1JEK<\/a> upozor\u0148uje na &#8222;setk\u00e1n\u00ed disident\u016f&#8220; V\u00e1clava Klause a Viktora Orb\u00e1na, je\u017e p\u0159edch\u00e1zelo obludnost na Pra\u017esk\u00e9m hrad\u011b, a p\u0159in\u00e1\u0161\u00ed k tomu vyj\u00e1d\u0159en\u00ed exprezidenta o smyslu t\u00e9 hradn\u00ed fra\u0161ky, a tak\u00e9 &#8222;n\u011bkolik v\u011bt&#8220; Ladislava Jakla, kter\u00fd se &#8222;konspira\u010dn\u00edho jedn\u00e1n\u00ed&#8220; v Klausov\u011b institutu z\u00fa\u010dastnil<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"Article\">\n<p>Vlastn\u011b by to sv\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem m\u011bla b\u00fdt hlavn\u00ed zpr\u00e1va o t\u00e9 neskute\u010dn\u011b n\u00e1kladn\u00e9 \u017evan\u00edrn\u011b (za na\u0161e pen\u00edze, jich\u017e Fialova vl\u00e1da m\u00e1 zjevn\u011b tolik, \u017ee nev\u00ed, co s nimi), kterou si uspo\u0159\u00e1dal francouzsk\u00fd prezident Macron na Pra\u017esk\u00e9m hrad\u011b. A pokud ne hlavn\u00ed, tedy ur\u010dit\u011b mnoh\u00e9 n\u00e1zorn\u011b vysv\u011btluj\u00edc\u00ed. Jak\u00fd div, \u017ee ji re\u017eimn\u00ed m\u00e9dia ignorovala.<\/p>\n<p>Do Prahy toti\u017e p\u0159ijel tak\u00e9 Viktor Orb\u00e1n. Ale je\u0161t\u011b ne\u017e se vydal do Macronovy sme\u010dky, aby ve Vladislavsk\u00e9m s\u00e1le mohla vzniknout spole\u010dn\u00e1 fotka na dobyt\u00e9m \u00fazem\u00ed, vydal se jinam: Do s\u00eddla Institutu V\u00e1clava Klause na pra\u017esk\u00e9 Hanspaulce. Dv\u011b hodiny tady s exprezidentem a jeho spolupracovn\u00edky diskutovali o zdrcuj\u00edch probl\u00e9mech na\u0161\u00ed doby. Pochopiteln\u011b \u00fapln\u011b jinak, ne\u017e o p\u00e1r hodin pozd\u011bji na op\u011btovn\u011b dobyvateli zn\u00e1siln\u011bn\u00e9m Pra\u017esk\u00e9m hrad\u011b za form\u00e1ln\u00edho veden\u00ed ukrajinsk\u00e9ho premi\u00e9ra Petra Fialy.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"pp\" src=\"https:\/\/protiproud.info\/images\/textiky\/orbana.png\" alt=\"pp\" width=\"448\" height=\"283\" \/><\/p>\n<p><em>Viktor Orb\u00e1n p\u0159i p\u0159\u00edjezdu do s\u00eddla IVK na pra\u017esk\u00e9 Hanspaulce<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Na Prvn\u00edm n\u00e1dvo\u0159\u00ed proto nechal tot\u00e1ln\u011b podvolen\u00fd Milo\u0161 Zeman vyt\u00e1hnout na sto\u017e\u00e1r ukrajinskou vlajku. Na p\u00e1r hodin tak vyst\u0159\u00eddala modr\u00fd hadr s p\u011btic\u00edp\u00fdmi hv\u011bzdami, jen\u017e sice \u017e\u00e1dnou ofci\u00e1ln\u00ed vlajkou nen\u00ed (podle Lisabosnk\u00e9 smlouvy nem\u00e1 EU ani vlajku, ani hymnu), ale p\u0159esto se d\u00e1l pou\u017e\u00edv\u00e1 jako znak protektor\u00e1tu.<\/p>\n<p>Na Klausov\u011b &#8222;z\u00e1me\u010dku&#8220; \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e1 takov\u00e1 nebyla: ani ta prvn\u00ed, ani ta druh\u00e1. Jen \u010desk\u00e1. Co soud\u00ed\u00a0 o pra\u017esk\u00e9m \u017evan\u00edrn\u011b nejd\u016fv\u011bryhodn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed \u010desk\u00fd &#8222;unijn\u00ed disident&#8220;, s n\u00edm\u017e se Orb\u00e1n p\u0159ijel poradit, ne\u017e vstoupil do j\u00e1my lvov\u00e9? A jak vid\u011bl toto &#8222;konspira\u010dn\u00ed jedn\u00e1n\u00ed&#8220; bl\u00edzk\u00fd Klaus\u016fv spolupracovn\u00edk Ladislav Jakl?<\/p>\n<h2>V\u00e1clav Klaus: M\u00e1me m\u00e1lo evropsk\u00fdch instituc\u00ed?<\/h2>\n<p>M\u00e1me m\u00e1lo evropsk\u00fdch instituc\u00ed, m\u00e1me m\u00e1lo p\u0159\u00edle\u017eitost\u00ed setk\u00e1vat se, m\u00e1me m\u00e1lo vyslanectv\u00ed po sv\u011bt\u011b (v Bruselu jsou na\u0161e vyslanectv\u00ed t\u0159i \u2013 p\u0159i EU, p\u0159i NATO a \u201ep\u0159i\u201c Belgii), m\u00e1lo absolvent\u016f akademicky mimo\u0159\u00e1dn\u011b n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00fdch mezin\u00e1rodn\u00edch studi\u00ed m\u00e1 p\u0159\u00edle\u017eitost b\u00fdt n\u011bkde um\u00edst\u011bno a dob\u0159e zaplaceno, m\u00e1me rozpo\u010dtov\u00e9 p\u0159ebytky a je t\u0159eba, abychom je n\u011bjak\u00fdm bohulib\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem vyu\u017e\u00edvali.<\/p>\n<p>M\u00e1me Evropskou unii a m\u00e1me Radu Evropy, oboj\u00ed maj\u00ed sv\u00e1 parlamentn\u00ed shrom\u00e1\u017ed\u011bn\u00ed (\u010dili i na\u0161e poslance v nich), ale je to po\u0159\u00e1d m\u00e1lo. Milovn\u00edk takov\u00fdch organizac\u00ed, a hlavn\u011b nasv\u00edcen\u00fdch p\u00f3di\u00ed, z nich\u017e m\u016f\u017ee mluvit, Emmanuel Macron, zjistil, \u017ee mu dosavadn\u00ed organizace nesta\u010d\u00ed, a proto si vymyslel novou \u2013 Evropsk\u00e9 politick\u00e9 spole\u010denstv\u00ed. A prvn\u00ed setk\u00e1n\u00ed tohoto \u201espole\u010denstv\u00ed\u201c se konalo v Praze. Jsme py\u0161n\u00ed na to, \u017ee jsme byli vyvoleni, ale pon\u011bkud zanik\u00e1, \u017ee se p\u0159\u00ed\u0161t\u00ed setk\u00e1n\u00ed odehraje v Moldavsku. To je n\u011bco jako Fialova osm\u00e1 \u0159ada na poh\u0159bu britsk\u00e9 kr\u00e1lovny.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"pp\" src=\"https:\/\/protiproud.info\/images\/textiky\/orbano.png\" alt=\"pp\" width=\"448\" height=\"283\" \/><\/p>\n<p><em>V\u00e1clav Klaus p\u0159i jedn\u00e1n\u00ed s Viktorem Orb\u00e1nem<\/em><\/p>\n<h2>Cht\u011bj\u00ed n\u00e1s unifikovat a centralizovat<\/h2>\n<p>Je dobr\u00e9 pou\u017e\u00edvat akronymy, symbolick\u00e9 zkratky. Proto tedy slavnostn\u011b oznamme, \u017ee vznik\u00e1 EPS. Pova\u017euji to za symbolick\u00e9. Evropsk\u00e1 integrace v\u011bd\u011bla od po\u010d\u00e1tku, \u017ee nem\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt integrac\u00ed politickou, proto za\u010d\u00ednala s integrov\u00e1n\u00edm ekonomick\u00fdm. Proto bylo nejd\u0159\u00edve EHS, Evropsk\u00e9 hospod\u00e1\u0159sk\u00e9 spole\u010denstv\u00ed. (Do toho bych r\u00e1d vstoupil.) Pak se p\u0159ech\u00e1zelo k dal\u0161\u00edm oblastem sjednocov\u00e1n\u00ed, proto slovo hospod\u00e1\u0159sk\u00fd z n\u00e1zvu vypadlo a z\u016fstalo ES, Evropsk\u00e9 spole\u010denstv\u00ed. To platilo v dob\u011b, kdy skon\u010dil komunismus. To se tehdej\u0161\u00edm Macron\u016fm nezd\u00e1lo dosta\u010duj\u00edc\u00ed, a proto se Maastrichtskou smlouvou zbavili slova spole\u010denstv\u00ed a vytvo\u0159ili unii, \u010dili EU. (Do t\u00e9 jsem vstupoval nerad.)<\/p>\n<p>Nyn\u00ed Macron usoudil, \u017ee ani tudy cesta nevede a za\u010d\u00edn\u00e1 proto p\u0159\u00edmo symbolem P, chce politick\u00e9 spole\u010denstv\u00ed. Je to po\u0159\u00e1d o tomt\u00e9\u017e. Cht\u011bj\u00ed n\u00e1s unifikovat a centralizovat. Cht\u011bj\u00ed potla\u010dit na\u0161i samostatnost. Cht\u011bj\u00ed vytvo\u0159it Spojen\u00e9 st\u00e1ty evropsk\u00e9, USE. Pot\u0159ebuj\u00ed k tomu zcela poddajn\u00e9 dom\u00e1c\u00ed politiky a ty \u201ekone\u010dn\u011b\u201c u n\u00e1s p\u011btikoali\u010dn\u00ed vl\u00e1dou pod taktovkou Fialy dostali. D\u00edvejme se na pra\u017eskou p\u0159ehl\u00eddku marnosti (vanity fair) t\u011bmato o\u010dima.<\/p>\n<p>Cht\u011bl jsem p\u016fvodn\u011b ps\u00e1t o blam\u00e1\u017ei s katarsk\u00fdm em\u00edrem, ale s pot\u011b\u0161en\u00edm konstatuji, \u017ee toto tot\u00e1ln\u00ed selh\u00e1n\u00ed na\u0161\u00ed zahrani\u010dn\u00ed politiky trefn\u011b diskutuje \u0159ada dal\u0161\u00edch koment\u00e1tor\u016f.<\/p>\n<h2>Ladislav Jakl: Ma\u010fa\u0159i sv\u00e9 z\u00e1jmy h\u00e1jit um\u011bj\u00ed. A co my?<\/h2>\n<p>Tak jsme dnes m\u011bli v Institutu na n\u00e1v\u0161t\u011bv\u011b ma\u010farsk\u00e9ho premi\u00e9ra Viktora Orb\u00e1na. Skoro dvouhodinov\u00e9 pov\u00edd\u00e1n\u00ed s n\u00edm a jeho t\u00fdmem bylo inspirativn\u00ed a m\u00edsty dokonce i z\u00e1bavn\u00e9.<\/p>\n<p>Orb\u00e1n je v\u00fdjime\u010dnou postavou sou\u010dasn\u00e9 evropsk\u00e9 politick\u00e9 sc\u00e9ny. Sta\u010d\u00ed p\u0159estat \u010d\u00edst o n\u011bm a rad\u011bji \u010d\u00edst p\u0159\u00edmo jeho. Nebo se pod\u00edvat na n\u011bkter\u00e9 z jeho fenomen\u00e1ln\u00edch ve\u0159ejn\u00fdch vystoupen\u00ed. Erudovanost, konzistentnost, v\u011brnost z\u00e1sad\u00e1m, d\u016fslednost, to v\u0161e by se od n\u011bj mohla dne\u0161n\u00ed garnitura nejen na\u0161\u00ed politick\u00e9 sc\u00e9ny u\u010dit. Ale ono pr\u00e1v\u011b nejde jen o Orb\u00e1na.<\/p>\n<p>Jeho fenom\u00e9n je je\u0161t\u011b v \u010demsi jin\u00e9m, ne\u017e jsou jen jeho charakterov\u00e9 a intelektu\u00e1ln\u00ed vlastnosti. V\u00fdjime\u010dn\u00e9 mu\u017ee i \u017eeny \u010dlov\u011bk ob\u010das potk\u00e1 nebo zaregistruje. Maj\u00ed to v hlav\u011b srovnan\u00e9, jsou odv\u00e1\u017en\u00ed, ob\u011btav\u00ed, pracovit\u00ed, oddan\u00ed svobod\u011b. Jen\u017ee v\u00fdjime\u010dnost Viktora Orb\u00e1na je v tom, \u017ee za n\u00edm stoj\u00ed v\u011bt\u0161ina spole\u010dnosti jeho zem\u011b.<\/p>\n<p>Jist\u011b\u017ee je pozoruhodn\u00fd s\u00e1m o sob\u011b. Ale to, s jak\u00fdm mand\u00e1tem a jakou dobu stoj\u00ed v \u010dele Ma\u010farska, nevypov\u00edd\u00e1 jen o jeho s\u00edle, ale p\u0159edev\u0161\u00edm o skute\u010dn\u00e9m a autentick\u00e9m stavu ma\u010farsk\u00e9 spole\u010dnosti. To ona si p\u0159eje politiku, kterou Orb\u00e1n zast\u00e1v\u00e1. To ona si ho vybrala, ona ho podporuje a dod\u00e1v\u00e1 mu nejen legitimitu, ale s\u00edlu a potvrzen\u00ed spr\u00e1vnosti cesty. Konzervativn\u011b uva\u017euj\u00edc\u00ed osobnosti existuj\u00ed i jinde, ale nikde nemaj\u00ed takov\u00e9 zako\u0159en\u011bn\u00ed v n\u00e1lad\u00e1ch, pot\u0159eb\u00e1ch a zku\u0161enosti ve\u0159ejnosti. To ma\u010farsk\u00e1 spole\u010dnost \u201ezplodila\u201c premi\u00e9ra Orb\u00e1na jako svou odpov\u011b\u010f na nemoci dne\u0161n\u00ed doby. To ma\u010farsk\u00e1 spole\u010dnost do\u0161la k v\u00fdrazn\u00e9 shod\u011b na idej\u00edch, kter\u00e9 je t\u0159eba chr\u00e1nit a prosazovat. Do\u0161la k tomu po klikat\u00e9 cest\u011b, pln\u00e9 trpk\u00fdch zku\u0161enost\u00ed, ale ony zku\u0161enosti dob\u0159e vyhodnotila a na\u0161la spr\u00e1vn\u00fd sm\u011br.<\/p>\n<p>Orb\u00e1n dnes r\u00e1no na Hanspaulce \u010dasto mluvil o z\u00e1jmech ma\u010farsk\u00e9ho lidu. Z\u00e1jem, to je u n\u00e1s skoro sprost\u00e9 slovo. Na\u0161e elity n\u00e1s vychov\u00e1vaj\u00ed v tom, \u017ee jsme mal\u00fd n\u00e1rod a \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9 sv\u00e9 vlastn\u00ed z\u00e1jmy nejen nem\u00e1me \u0161anci prosadit, ale vlastn\u011b ani \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9 nem\u00e1me m\u00edt. \u017de na\u0161e z\u00e1jmy jsou p\u0159ece toto\u017en\u00e9 s t\u00edm, ke komu se p\u0159imkneme, ke komu chceme pat\u0159it (za co\u017e jen plat\u00edme a nic nedost\u00e1v\u00e1me), ke komu se chceme hl\u00e1sit, koho chceme poslouchat v (plan\u00e9 nad\u011bji, \u017ee se n\u00e1m to n\u011bjak vr\u00e1t\u00ed).<\/p>\n<p>My m\u016f\u017eeme nesouhlasit s politikou t\u0159eba Polska, Francie, Turecka \u010di Brit\u00e1nie. Ale v\u017edy mus\u00edme uznat, \u017ee jejich dom\u00e1c\u00ed i zahrani\u010dn\u00ed politika je vedena vlastn\u00edmi autentick\u00fdmi z\u00e1jmy. A kde jsou na\u0161e autentick\u00e9 z\u00e1jmy? Kdo se za n\u011b rve na mezin\u00e1rodn\u00edm kolbi\u0161ti? Sp\u00ed\u0161e od na\u0161ich p\u0159edstavitel\u016f sly\u0161\u00edme, jak sv\u00fdm siln\u011bj\u0161\u00edm partner\u016fm prosebn\u00fdm hlasem \u0159\u00edkaj\u00ed n\u011bco ve smyslu, kolik \u017ee jim m\u00e1me zaplatit, abychom s nimi sm\u011bli souhlasit.<\/p>\n<p>Ma\u010fa\u0159i v\u011bd\u00ed, \u017ee pat\u0159\u00ed ke k\u0159es\u0165ansk\u00e9 Evrop\u011b. Ale v\u011bd\u00ed i to, \u017ee za sv\u00e9 z\u00e1jmy se musej\u00ed rv\u00e1t sami, \u017ee to nikdo jin\u00fd z n\u011bjak\u00e9 blahosklonnosti pro n\u011b a za n\u011b neud\u011bl\u00e1. A tak se semkli. A podporuj\u00ed sv\u00e9 veden\u00ed. Hlavn\u011b se ale semkli jeden s druh\u00fdm navz\u00e1jem. Co\u017e neum\u00edme n\u011bco podobn\u00e9ho tak\u00e9? Co\u017e neum\u00edme identifikovat sv\u00e9 autentick\u00e9 specifick\u00e9 z\u00e1jmy, abychom je pak mohli i prosazovat?<\/p>\n<p>Zat\u00edm jsme se moc semknout neum\u011bli. M\u00edsto semknut\u00ed n\u00e1m \u0161lo sp\u00ed\u0161e p\u0159imyk\u00e1n\u00ed. P\u0159imknut\u00ed se k dubisku se n\u00e1m moc neosv\u011bd\u010dilo. Tak se m\u00edsto toho te\u010f p\u0159imyk\u00e1me ke kaktusu. Nediv\u00edm se, \u017ee se tomu Ma\u010fa\u0159i div\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.institutvk.cz\/\">Zdroj<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>P\u0159evzato\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/protiproud.info\/politika\/6753-orban-u-klause-porada-disidentu-pred-hradni-macronovou-saskarnou-klaus-potrebovali-u-nas-fialu-aby-mohli-znicit-zbytky-nasi-suverenity-chteji-vytvorit-us-e-jakl-madari-sve-zajmy-hajit-umeji-my-se-jen-primykame-ke-kaktusu.htm\">PROTIPROUD<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Klaus: Pot\u0159ebovali u n\u00e1s Fialu, aby mohli zni\u010dit zbytky na\u0161\u00ed suverenity. 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