{"id":16292,"date":"2022-10-07T01:00:17","date_gmt":"2022-10-06T23:00:17","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.infokuryr.cz\/n\/?p=16292"},"modified":"2022-10-06T12:40:15","modified_gmt":"2022-10-06T10:40:15","slug":"japonsti-lekari-mluvi-uprimne-o-vakcinach-proti-covidu","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.infokuryr.cz\/n\/2022\/10\/07\/japonsti-lekari-mluvi-uprimne-o-vakcinach-proti-covidu\/","title":{"rendered":"Japon\u0161t\u00ed l\u00e9ka\u0159i mluv\u00ed up\u0159\u00edmn\u011b o vakc\u00edn\u00e1ch proti Covidu"},"content":{"rendered":"
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Minul\u00fd t\u00fdden t\u00fdden\u00edk Josei Seven zve\u0159ejnil rozhovor vakcina\u010dn\u00edho skeptick\u00e9ho novin\u00e1\u0159e\u00a0<\/span>Touru Toridamariho<\/span><\/a>\u00a0se \u010dty\u0159mi japonsk\u00fdmi l\u00e9ka\u0159i o jejich zku\u0161enostech b\u011bhem pandemie.\u00a0L\u00e9ka\u0159i p\u00ed\u0161\u00ed na\u00a0<\/span>Twitter \u00fa\u010det\/blog \u52e4\u52d9\u533b\u56e3\u306e\u672c\u97f3<\/span><\/a>(kinmuidan no honne; skute\u010dn\u00e9 pocity pracuj\u00edc\u00edch l\u00e9ka\u0159\u016f).\u00a0Vzhledem k citlivosti tohoto t\u00e9matu se l\u00e9ka\u0159i rozhodli z\u016fstat v anonymit\u011b.<\/span><\/p>\n

Rozhovor najdete tak\u00e9 na webu News Postseven.\u00a0Prvn\u00ed\u00a0<\/span>\u010d\u00e1st<\/span><\/a>\u00a0je o n\u00e1zorech l\u00e9ka\u0159\u016f na Covid (ne moc odli\u0161n\u00fd od ch\u0159ipky) a \u00fa\u010dinnosti vakc\u00edn proti Covidu (p\u0159ece\u0148ovan\u00e9 a podce\u0148ovan\u00e9).\u00a0V n\u00e1sleduj\u00edc\u00edm textu p\u0159ekl\u00e1d\u00e1m druhou \u010d\u00e1st rozhovoru, kter\u00e1 se zab\u00fdv\u00e1 zku\u0161enostmi l\u00e9ka\u0159\u016f s ne\u017e\u00e1douc\u00edmi \u00fa\u010dinky o\u010dkov\u00e1n\u00ed proti Covidu a jejich postojem k nim.<\/span><\/p>\n

Dr\u00a0A (l\u00e9ka\u0159 z Kanto se specializac\u00ed na revmatismus a b\u011b\u017en\u00e1 onemocn\u011bn\u00ed): R\u00e1d bych, aby v\u0161ichni v\u011bd\u011bli, \u017ee za posledn\u00ed rok vzrostl po\u010det pacient\u016f s kolagenov\u00fdmi onemocn\u011bn\u00edmi.\u00a0Pot\u00e9, co byli star\u0161\u00ed lid\u00e9 o\u010dkov\u00e1ni od dubna do srpna 2021, jsem na vlastn\u00ed o\u010di vid\u011bl, \u017ee pacient\u016f, kte\u0159\u00ed onemocn\u011bli Kolgenovou chorobou, p\u0159ib\u00fdv\u00e1.\u00a0Kolgenova choroba je zp\u016fsobena abnorm\u00e1ln\u00ed imunitn\u00ed reakc\u00ed a postihuje p\u0159ibli\u017en\u011b 1 % populace.\u00a0N\u00e1hl\u00fd n\u00e1r\u016fst po\u010dtu pacient\u016f je nep\u0159edstaviteln\u00fd.<\/span><\/p>\n

Navzdory tomu v lo\u0148sk\u00e9m roce p\u0159es\u00e1hla obsazenost na\u0161\u00ed nemocnice 120 %, u nov\u00fdch pacient\u016f s Colgenovou chorobou se rozvinuly p\u0159\u00edznaky a u n\u011bkter\u00fdch se kv\u016fli zhor\u0161uj\u00edc\u00edmu se zdravotn\u00edmu stavu rozvinuly komplikace interstici\u00e1ln\u00ed pneumonie.\u00a0V m\u00e9 nemocnici od z\u00e1\u0159\u00ed lo\u0148sk\u00e9ho roku do leto\u0161n\u00edho \u00fanora zem\u0159elo na kolegi\u00e1ln\u00ed onemocn\u011bn\u00ed dvakr\u00e1t v\u00edce pacient\u016f ne\u017e v pr\u016fm\u011brn\u00e9m roce.\u00a0Tato situace je rozhodn\u011b abnorm\u00e1ln\u00ed.<\/span><\/p>\n

Toridamari: Stru\u010dn\u011b \u0159e\u010deno, \u0159\u00edk\u00e1te, \u017ee vakc\u00edna Covid zp\u016fsobila autoimunitn\u00ed onemocn\u011bn\u00ed?<\/span><\/p>\n

Dr\u00a0A: M\u016f\u017eeme to \u0159\u00edci s jistotou, proto\u017ee v minulosti u\u017e k podobn\u00fdm incident\u016fm do\u0161lo.\u00a0V 70. letech minul\u00e9ho stolet\u00ed bylo v Americe masov\u00e9 o\u010dkov\u00e1n\u00ed proti prase\u010d\u00ed ch\u0159ipce.\u00a0Hned pot\u00e9 ale v\u00edce lid\u00ed onemocn\u011blo autoimunitn\u00edm onemocn\u011bn\u00edm Guillain-Barr\u00e9ho syndrom a n\u011bkte\u0159\u00ed zem\u0159eli.\u00a0Je zn\u00e1mo, \u017ee po hromadn\u00e9m o\u010dkov\u00e1n\u00ed se u ur\u010dit\u00e9ho po\u010dtu lid\u00ed rozvinou autoimunitn\u00ed onemocn\u011bn\u00ed.\u00a0M\u00e1m v\u0161ak podez\u0159en\u00ed, \u017ee obyvatelstvo nen\u00ed o t\u00e9to mo\u017enosti aktivn\u011b informov\u00e1no.<\/span><\/p>\n

Toridamari: V mnoha akademick\u00fdch spole\u010dnostech skute\u010dn\u011b existuj\u00ed zpr\u00e1vy o propuknut\u00ed nebo zhor\u0161en\u00ed onemocn\u011bn\u00ed, u nich\u017e existuje podez\u0159en\u00ed, \u017ee souvisej\u00ed s vakc\u00ednami Covid.\u00a0Pat\u0159\u00ed mezi n\u011b nejen kolagenov\u00e1 onemocn\u011bn\u00ed, ale tak\u00e9 ko\u017en\u00ed onemocn\u011bn\u00ed, vaskulitidy, onemocn\u011bn\u00ed ledvin a neurologick\u00e1 onemocn\u011bn\u00ed.\u00a0Akademick\u00e9 spole\u010dnosti o tom ale lidi proaktivn\u011b neinformuj\u00ed.<\/span><\/p>\n

Dr\u00a0A: Kritika vakc\u00edn Covid v akademick\u00fdch spole\u010dnostech povede k tomu, \u017ee se l\u00e9ka\u0159i budou navz\u00e1jem kritizovat, tak\u017ee ve skute\u010dnosti v\u011bt\u0161ina l\u00e9ka\u0159\u016f p\u0159edst\u00edr\u00e1, \u017ee nevid\u00ed.<\/span><\/p>\n

Dr\u00a0D (Mu\u017e z Kanto, kter\u00fd se specializuje na infek\u010dn\u00ed nemoci): Ve skute\u010dnosti m\u00e1 mnoho l\u00e9ka\u0159\u016f podez\u0159en\u00ed, \u017ee imunitn\u00ed syst\u00e9m je naru\u0161en [vakc\u00ednami].\u00a0Mezi l\u00e9ka\u0159i obezn\u00e1men\u00fdmi s autoimunitn\u00edmi onemocn\u011bn\u00edmi n\u011bkte\u0159\u00ed uvedli, \u017ee u pacient\u016f u\u017e\u00edvaj\u00edc\u00edch imunosupresiva se po o\u010dkov\u00e1n\u00ed zhroutila rovnov\u00e1ha imunitn\u00edho syst\u00e9mu, co\u017e vedlo k v\u00e1\u017en\u00fdm probl\u00e9m\u016fm.<\/span><\/p>\n

Autoimunitn\u00ed poruchy p\u0159ich\u00e1zej\u00ed v r\u016fzn\u00fdch form\u00e1ch.\u00a0Pokud nap\u0159\u00edklad existuje riziko, \u017ee by porucha rovnov\u00e1hy imunitn\u00edho syst\u00e9mu mohla v\u00e9st ke ztr\u00e1t\u011b zraku, o\u010dkov\u00e1n\u00ed se n\u011bkdy nedoporu\u010duje z d\u016fvod\u016f rizika a p\u0159\u00ednosu.\u00a0Ale ne v\u0161ichni l\u00e9ka\u0159i maj\u00ed tuto odbornost.<\/span><\/p>\n

Dr\u00a0A: Tak\u00e9 n\u00e1s nemus\u00ed znepokojovat pouze vznik a zhor\u0161ov\u00e1n\u00ed autoimunitn\u00edch onemocn\u011bn\u00ed, ale tak\u00e9 v\u00fdzkum, kter\u00fd nazna\u010duje potla\u010den\u00ed imunitn\u00edho syst\u00e9mu.\u00a0To d\u011bl\u00e1 rakovinu probl\u00e9m.\u00a0Norm\u00e1ln\u011b m\u016f\u017ee imunitn\u00ed syst\u00e9m potla\u010dit rakovinu, ale to m\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt naru\u0161eno.\u00a0M\u016fj kolega, kter\u00fd m\u00e1 nemoc, po o\u010dkov\u00e1n\u00ed extr\u00e9mn\u011b zesl\u00e1bl, p\u0159\u00edznaky se zhor\u0161ily a zjistilo se, \u017ee zem\u0159el na rakovinu \u017ealudku.<\/span><\/p>\n

Nemohu s naprostou jistotou \u0159\u00edci, \u017ee to souviselo s o\u010dkov\u00e1n\u00edm, ale rychlost progrese po o\u010dkov\u00e1n\u00ed byla abnorm\u00e1ln\u00ed.\u00a0Nikdy nezapomenu, jak na odd\u011blen\u00ed k\u0159i\u010del: \u201aB\u00fdval jsem v pohod\u011b, ale vakc\u00edna mi to ud\u011blala.\u00a0Ud\u011blej ze m\u011b zase to, \u010d\u00edm jsem byl!“<\/span><\/p>\n

Dr\u00a0B (doktor z Chubu): V m\u00e9 nemocnici byla \u0159ada pom\u011brn\u011b mlad\u00fdch lid\u00ed, kter\u00fdm byla diagnostikov\u00e1na pokro\u010dil\u00e1 rakovina.\u00a0Souvislost s vakc\u00ednou je obt\u00ed\u017en\u00e9 objasnit, ale faktem je, \u017ee byly zaznamen\u00e1ny p\u0159\u00edpady pokro\u010dil\u00e9ho n\u00e1dorov\u00e9ho onemocn\u011bn\u00ed zji\u0161t\u011bn\u00e9ho po o\u010dkov\u00e1n\u00ed.<\/span><\/p>\n

Dr\u00a0A: Myslel jsem, \u017ee to bude celost\u00e1tn\u00ed p\u0159\u00edpad.\u00a0Moje pacientka m\u011bla rakovinu prsu, kter\u00e1 se vr\u00e1tila p\u0159ed 20 lety po o\u010dkov\u00e1n\u00ed, kter\u00e1 se roz\u0161\u00ed\u0159ila po cel\u00e9m jej\u00edm t\u011ble, a vyvinula se u n\u00ed rakovina plic.\u00a0U dal\u0161\u00ed pacientky se po o\u010dkov\u00e1n\u00ed n\u00e1hle objevil absces na plic\u00edch.\u00a0U dal\u0161\u00edho se objevil z\u00e1n\u011bt mozkov\u00fdch blan pot\u00e9, co se mu bakterie dostaly do mozku a on dostal z\u00e1vra\u0165.\u00a0Takov\u00e9 p\u0159\u00edpady byly vz\u00e1cn\u00e9, ne\u017e se vakc\u00edny Covid dostaly na trh, tak\u017ee nemohu p\u0159edpokl\u00e1dat, \u017ee neexistuje \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e1 p\u0159\u00ed\u010dinn\u00e1 souvislost.<\/span><\/p>\n

Dr\u00a0B: Vid\u011bl jsem, \u017ee se u mnoha pacient\u016f po o\u010dkov\u00e1n\u00ed vyvinou abnormality.\u00a0\u010casto sl\u00fdch\u00e1m o menstrua\u010dn\u00edch nepravidelnostech.\u00a0Jedna \u017eena u\u017e proch\u00e1zela menopauzou, ale p\u00e1r t\u00fddn\u016f po o\u010dkov\u00e1n\u00ed j\u00ed krev tekla jako ko\u010dk\u00e1m a ps\u016fm.\u00a0Jin\u00e9 \u017een\u011b se po t\u0159et\u00ed d\u00e1vce dramaticky zv\u00fd\u0161ila menstruace.<\/span><\/p>\n

Dr\u00a0C (l\u00e9ka\u0159 z Kanto): Jeden z m\u00fdch pacient\u016f n\u00e1hle velmi zesl\u00e1bl.\u00a0Byla to \u017eena ve v\u011bku 70 let.\u00a0Asi t\u0159i t\u00fddny po t\u0159et\u00ed d\u00e1vce najednou nemohla chodit.\u00a0Ztratila chu\u0165 k j\u00eddlu.\u00a0L\u00e9ky proti bolesti zm\u00edrnily bolest a vr\u00e1tila chu\u0165 k j\u00eddlu, ale m\u00e1m podez\u0159en\u00ed, \u017ee to byl n\u00e1sledn\u00fd \u00fa\u010dinek vakc\u00edny.<\/span><\/p>\n

Dr\u00a0D: Covid vakc\u00edny jsou nikdy nepou\u017eit\u00e9 mRNA vakc\u00edny, kter\u00e9 p\u0159en\u00e1\u0161ej\u00ed genetickou informaci.\u00a0Samoz\u0159ejm\u011b v sou\u010dasn\u00e9 dob\u011b neexistuj\u00ed \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9 statistiky ukazuj\u00edc\u00ed n\u00e1r\u016fst onemocn\u011bn\u00ed nebo rakoviny, tak\u017ee zast\u00e1nci vakc\u00edn to pou\u017e\u00edvaj\u00ed jako z\u00e1klad pro tvrzen\u00ed, \u017ee vakc\u00edny jsou bezpe\u010dn\u00e9.\u00a0V dob\u011b, kdy se ve statistik\u00e1ch objevuj\u00ed anom\u00e1lie, je v\u0161ak ji\u017e pravd\u011bpodobn\u011b nap\u00e1ch\u00e1no velk\u00e9 mno\u017estv\u00ed \u0161kod.\u00a0Tak\u017ee i kdy\u017e se prok\u00e1\u017ee kauzalita, bude pozd\u011b.<\/span><\/p>\n

Dr\u00a0A: Rychlost jednoho roku od schv\u00e1len\u00ed k pou\u017eit\u00ed m\u011b d\u011bs\u00ed.\u00a0D\u0159\u00edve v\u00fdvoj vakc\u00edn trval 10 let.\u00a0T\u00edmto zp\u016fsobem bylo mo\u017en\u00e9 prok\u00e1zat bezpe\u010dnost a \u00fa\u010dinnost.\u00a0Bylo to proto, \u017ee by m\u011bli b\u00fdt o\u010dkov\u00e1ni zdrav\u00ed lid\u00e9.\u00a0Kdy\u017e se zamysl\u00edte nad t\u00edm, jak se l\u00e9ka\u0159sk\u00fd proces, kter\u00fd se jemn\u011b rozv\u00edj\u00ed, zm\u011bnil v proces, kter\u00fd postupuje rychle, bude to probl\u00e9m pro cel\u00fd medic\u00ednsk\u00fd obor.<\/span><\/p>\n

Toridamari: Pouk\u00e1zal jste na r\u016fzn\u00e1 po\u0161kozen\u00ed, ale m\u00edra t\u0159et\u00ed d\u00e1vky je t\u00e9m\u011b\u0159 70%.<\/span><\/p>\n

Dr\u00a0A: Ve skute\u010dnosti nen\u00ed proo\u010dkovanost mezi l\u00e9ka\u0159i nijak zvl\u00e1\u0161\u0165 vysok\u00e1.\u00a0V m\u00e9 nemocnici je to asi 80 %.\u00a0V\u00edm, \u017ee vakc\u00edny maj\u00ed r\u016fzn\u00e9 vedlej\u0161\u00ed \u00fa\u010dinky, tak\u017ee jsem byl ohledn\u011b vakc\u00edny Covid opatrn\u00fd.\u00a0V m\u00e9 laborato\u0159i prob\u011bhl experiment, kdy byly my\u0161i opakovan\u011b o\u010dkov\u00e1ny stejnou vakc\u00ednou.\u00a0Bez ohledu na typ vakc\u00edny my\u0161 postupn\u011b sl\u00e1bla, \u010d\u00edm v\u00edcekr\u00e1t byla o\u010dkov\u00e1na.\u00a0Kdy\u017e jsem si na to vzpomn\u011bl, v\u00e1hal jsem [o\u010dkovat].<\/span><\/p>\n

Dr\u00a0C: Ale kdy\u017e ozn\u00e1m\u00edte: \u201eNenech\u00e1m se o\u010dkovat\u201c, nen\u00ed tam atmosf\u00e9ra \u201epro\u010d ne?\u201c U\u017e m\u011b unavilo, \u017ee se m\u011b na to tolikr\u00e1t ptali, \u017ee jsem prohl\u00e1sil: \u201eM\u00e1m alergii.\u201c<\/span><\/p>\n

Dr\u00a0D: Kolegov\u00e9 na v\u00e1s v\u0161ude vyv\u00edjej\u00ed tlak.\u00a0Ale mysl\u00edm, \u017ee se 4. d\u00e1vkou se karta obr\u00e1tila.<\/span><\/p>\n

Do 3. d\u00e1vky prov\u00e1d\u011bly v\u0161echny nemocnice skupinov\u00e9 o\u010dkov\u00e1n\u00ed t\u00e9m\u011b\u0159 u v\u0161ech zdravotn\u00edk\u016f, ale skupinov\u00e9 o\u010dkov\u00e1n\u00ed p\u0159eva\u017euj\u00edc\u00ed u 4. d\u00e1vky nyn\u00ed vykazuje atmosf\u00e9ru \u201enepot\u0159ebujete se o\u010dkovat\u201c.<\/span><\/p>\n

Dr\u00a0C: V m\u00e9 nemocnici jsou ur\u010dit\u011b l\u00e9ka\u0159i st\u0159edn\u00ed a ni\u017e\u0161\u00ed \u00farovn\u011b, kte\u0159\u00ed \u0159\u00edkaj\u00ed, \u017ee necht\u011bj\u00ed dostat \u010dtvrtou d\u00e1vku.\u00a0L\u00e9ka\u0159i bl\u00edzc\u00ed vy\u0161\u0161\u00edmu veden\u00ed se v\u0161ak nechat o\u010dkovat cht\u011bj\u00ed.<\/span><\/p>\n

Dr\u00a0A: M\u00e1m dojem, \u017ee n\u011bkter\u00e9 z nich povzbudilo, kdy\u017e vid\u011bli pacienty trp\u00edc\u00ed postvakcina\u010dn\u00edmi syndromy.\u00a0Profesor, kter\u00fd obdr\u017eel m\u00e9 zpr\u00e1vy, udiven\u011b \u0159ekl: „Rozvine se u tolika lid\u00ed po o\u010dkov\u00e1n\u00ed kolegi\u00e1ln\u00ed onemocn\u011bn\u00ed?“<\/span><\/p>\n

Dr\u00a0D: P\u0159esto\u017ee se mnoho lid\u00ed rozhodne nechat se o\u010dkovat, l\u00e9ka\u0159i maj\u00ed velkou m\u00edru osobn\u00edho uv\u00e1\u017een\u00ed a mohou d\u00e1t na prvn\u00ed m\u00edsto vlastn\u00ed n\u00e1zor.\u00a0Nejv\u00edc je mi l\u00edto sest\u0159i\u010dek.\u00a0Maj\u00ed malou osobn\u00ed volnost, a proto je pro n\u011b obt\u00ed\u017en\u00e9 j\u00edt proti p\u0159\u00e1n\u00edm organizace.\u00a0Jsou n\u011bjak\u00e9 ch\u00e1pav\u00e9 nemocnice, ale v mnoha nemocnic\u00edch, kdy\u017e vrchn\u00ed sestra \u0159ekne: vezm\u011bte si vakc\u00ednu, je to v podstat\u011b rozkaz.<\/span><\/p>\n

Dr\u00a0B: To je pravda.\u00a0P\u0159i\u0161la za mnou sestra a \u0159ekla: \u201ePane doktore, pomozte mi!\u00a0Vypi\u0161te pros\u00edm formul\u00e1\u0159, abyste m\u011b neo\u010dkovali.\u201c Ale nem\u00e1m pravomoc \u0159\u00edct: \u201eNEDEJTE se o\u010dkovat.\u201c Sestra se nakonec vrchn\u00ed sest\u0159e nepostavila a nenechala se o\u010dkovat.<\/span><\/p>\n

Dr\u00a0D: M\u00e1m mo\u017enost se nenechat o\u010dkovat, ale ta atmosf\u00e9ra mi zat\u00edm nedovoluje lidem \u0159\u00edct: \u201eNeo\u010dkovat.\u201c Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee je zvl\u00e1\u0161tn\u00ed, \u017ee jsme st\u00e1le v situaci, kdy sestry v n\u00edzk\u00e9m stavu pozici jsou nuceni se nechat o\u010dkovat bez ohledu na to, co si o tom mysl\u00ed.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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