{"id":105742,"date":"2026-05-03T00:22:44","date_gmt":"2026-05-02T22:22:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.infokuryr.cz\/n\/?p=105742"},"modified":"2026-05-02T13:39:53","modified_gmt":"2026-05-02T11:39:53","slug":"havel-nebo-pavel-kdo-se-klanel-popr-klani-pred-nemci-vic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.infokuryr.cz\/n\/2026\/05\/03\/havel-nebo-pavel-kdo-se-klanel-popr-klani-pred-nemci-vic\/","title":{"rendered":"Havel nebo Pavel \u2013 kdo se klan\u011bl (pop\u0159. klan\u00ed) p\u0159ed N\u011bmci v\u00edc?"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"fb-root\"><\/div>\n<p><strong>\u010cesk\u00fd diplomat Rudolf Jindr\u00e1k vzpom\u00edn\u00e1, co v r.1991 p\u0159i n\u00e1v\u0161t\u011bv\u011b kancl\u00e9\u0159stv\u00ed v Bonnu p-rezident V\u00e1clav Havel sl\u00edbil Helmutu Kohlovi.\u00a0A debata na Novotn\u00e9ho l\u00e1vce kritick\u00fdm pohledem.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u201ePro\u010d se to dozv\u00edd\u00e1me a\u017e te\u010f\u201c, to si \u010dlov\u011bk \u0159ekne, kdy\u017e usly\u0161\u00ed slova Rudolfa Jindr\u00e1ka, \u010desk\u00e9ho diplomata, kter\u00fd na za\u010d\u00e1tku 90. let \u0159\u00eddil \u010deskoslovensk\u00fd konzul\u00e1t v Mnichov\u011b. Jindr\u00e1k vzpom\u00edn\u00e1, jak v r.1991 p\u0159i n\u00e1v\u0161t\u011bv\u011b kancl\u00e9\u0159stv\u00ed v Bonnu p-rezident V\u00e1clav Havel sl\u00edbil Helmutu Kohlovi, \u017ee se bude vracet ob\u010danstv\u00ed sudetsk\u00fdm N\u011bmc\u016fm, kte\u0159\u00ed tak\u00e9 budou p\u0159ipu\u0161t\u011bni k privatizac\u00edm a \u017ee \u010d\u00e1sti sudetsk\u00fdch N\u011bmc\u016f, kte\u0159\u00ed se rozhodnou vr\u00e1tit, bude vr\u00e1cen majetek. A Helmut Kohl \u010dekal, a\u017e se to stane.<br \/>\nKdyby se tato informace dostala tehdy na ve\u0159ejnost, byl by z toho ur\u010dit\u011b velk\u00fd poprask. Tehdy m\u011blo je\u0161t\u011b hodn\u011b lid\u00ed v pam\u011bti \u0159\u00e1d\u011bn\u00ed sudetsk\u00fdch N\u011bmc\u016f na \u010desk\u00fdch obyvatel\u00edch pohrani\u010d\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Diplomat Rudolf Jindr\u00e1k - o jedn\u00e1n\u00ed s N\u011bmeckem v 90.letech\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/dnC7yTVzP7M?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Ale Havel nebyl s\u00e1m v poklonkov\u00e1n\u00ed p\u0159ed N\u011bmci. Lid\u00e9 si v r. 2023 zvolili za prezidenta Pavla, Petra Pavla, kter\u00fd pro zm\u011bnu 2 m\u011bs\u00edce po slo\u017een\u00ed prezidentsk\u00e9ho slibu vyrazil do N\u011bmecka na motorce, aby tam <a href=\"https:\/\/www.echo24.cz\/a\/HdZnQ\/zpravy-svet-festival-v-selbu-petr-pavel-cesko-nemecke-vztahy\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">pod\u011bkoval p\u0159edsedovi Sudeton\u011bmeck\u00e9ho landsman\u0161aftu Berndu Posseltovi\u00a0<\/a>\u00a0\u201eza\u00a0zlep\u0161en\u00ed\u00a0\u010desko-n\u011bmeck\u00fdch vztah\u016f.\u201c<\/p>\n<p><em>\u201eV\u00edt\u00e1m posun v\u00a0Sudeton\u011bmeck\u00e9m krajansk\u00e9m sdru\u017een\u00ed a\u00a0cht\u011bl bych pod\u011bkovat Berndu Posseltovi, opravdu si toho v\u00e1\u017e\u00edm.\u201c<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Za co vlastn\u011b Petr Pavel Posseltovi pod\u011bkoval? A za co si ho v\u00e1\u017e\u00ed?<br \/>\nZa to jak v r. 2003 Posselt hlasoval v\u00a0Evropsk\u00e9m parlamentu proti \u010desk\u00e9mu vstupu do EU kv\u016fli tomu, \u017ee dekrety prezidenta Edvarda Bene\u0161e z\u016fst\u00e1vaj\u00ed sou\u010d\u00e1st\u00ed \u010desk\u00e9ho pr\u00e1vn\u00edho \u0159\u00e1du? Za to, jak plive na Bene\u0161ovy dekrety? Za to, jak Posselt prohla\u0161uje, \u017ee jsou to oni, kdo zvl\u00e1\u0161t\u011b trp\u011bl vyhn\u00e1n\u00edm? P\u0159i\u010dem\u017e o \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9 vyhn\u00e1n\u00ed ne\u0161lo, ale o transfer na z\u00e1klad\u011b mezin\u00e1rodn\u00edho pr\u00e1va, kter\u00fd byl prov\u00e1d\u011bn organizovan\u011b, a to nejen v\u00a0\u010ceskoslovensku, ale tak\u00e9 v Polsku a Ma\u010farsku, a to i pod dohledem USA a SSSR. D\u011bkoval mu za to, jak n\u00e1s Posselt v r. 2016 vyz\u00fdval, a\u0165 p\u0159ijmeme migranty? Atd.<\/p>\n<p>Sudeton\u011bmeck\u00fd landsman\u0161aft usiloval dlouho o uspo\u0159\u00e1d\u00e1n\u00ed sjezdu v \u010cesk\u00e9 republice, ale teprve nyn\u00ed se projevuje\u00a0<strong>d\u016fsledek\u00a0<\/strong>dlouhodob\u00e9ho, p\u0159edev\u0161\u00edm\u00a0<strong>bezstrukturn\u00edho \u0159\u00edzen\u00ed<\/strong>, kter\u00e9 ovl\u00e1dlo pln\u011b masm\u00e9dia hlavn\u00edho proudu, kinematografii,\u2026 a ovlivnilo mnoho lid\u00ed, kte\u0159\u00ed tak v kon\u00e1n\u00ed sjezdu nevid\u00ed nebezpe\u010d\u00ed.<br \/>\nO tomto \u0159\u00edzen\u00ed n\u00e1m bohu\u017eel ti, co kritizuj\u00ed po\u0159\u00e1d\u00e1n\u00ed sjezdu v Brn\u011b, ne\u0159eknou. Ne\u0159ekl to ani b\u00fdval\u00fd prezident Zeman v r\u00e1mci diskuze na pra\u017esk\u00e9 Novotn\u00e9ho l\u00e1vce v \u00fater\u00fd 28.4., kdy\u017e mluvil o \u201eservilit\u011b\u201c \u010d\u00e1sti \u010desk\u00e9ho n\u00e1roda.<\/p>\n<p><em>Milo\u0161 Zeman: \u201eV roce 1946 holandsk\u00fd historik publikoval \u010dl\u00e1nek, ve kter\u00e9m ozna\u010dil sudetsk\u00e9 N\u011bmce za\u00a0<\/em><em><strong>p\u00e1tou kolonu Adolfa Hitlera<\/strong><\/em><em>\u00a0a jeden ze zdroj\u016f rozbit\u00ed tehdej\u0161\u00edho \u010ceskoslovenska. Konec konc\u016f, Henlein byl skute\u010dn\u011b prodlou\u017eenou rukou Hitlera a sestavil Sudeton\u011bmeckou stranu, kterou v posledn\u00edch parlamentn\u00edch volb\u00e1ch podpo\u0159ilo 90 procent sudetsk\u00fdch N\u011bmc\u016f. Pot\u00e9 se\u00a0<\/em><em><strong>moci v protektor\u00e1tu ujal sudetsk\u00fd N\u011bmec<\/strong><\/em><em>\u00a0z Karlovarska Karl Hermann Frank, kter\u00fd byl faktick\u00fdm spr\u00e1vcem protektor\u00e1tu. Za jeho vl\u00e1dy bylo popraveno 160 tis\u00edc na\u0161ich ob\u010dan\u016f. Posledn\u00ed historick\u00fd fakt, kter\u00fd v\u0161ichni zn\u00e1te, je n\u00e1sleduj\u00edc\u00ed. \u010cl\u00e1nek 13 Postupimsk\u00e9 dohody mluv\u00ed o transferu nejenom N\u011bmc\u016f z \u010ceskoslovenska, ale tak\u00e9 z Polska i Ma\u010farska. Jaksi jsem si nev\u0161iml, \u017ee by v t\u011bchto zem\u00edch prob\u00edhal sudeton\u011bmeck\u00fd sjezd.<br \/>\nMohl bych se v n\u00e1sleduj\u00edc\u00ed \u010d\u00e1sti projevu pustit do opr\u00e1vn\u011bn\u00e9 kritiky sudetsk\u00fdch N\u011bmc\u016f. Chci ale mluvit o n\u011b\u010dem jin\u00e9m. O servilit\u011b \u010d\u00e1sti \u010desk\u00e9ho n\u00e1roda. O servilit\u011b, kter\u00e1 se d\u00e1 p\u0159ejmenovat na kolaboraci a t\u00edm chci b\u00fdt jako v\u017edy ve sv\u00e9m \u017eivot\u011b velice nepohodln\u00fd. Kritizovat sudetsk\u00e9 N\u011bmce um\u00ed ka\u017ed\u00fd. Ale zamysleme se nad t\u00edm, \u017ee v roce 1942 V\u00e1clavsk\u00e9 n\u00e1m\u011bst\u00ed zaplnilo 250 tis\u00edc \u010cech\u016f, zejm\u00e9na Pra\u017ean\u016f na manifestaci, kde p\u0159\u00edsahali v\u011brnost \u0159\u00ed\u0161i.\u201c<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Pozn\u00e1mka:<\/strong>\u00a0p\u0159edn\u00ed \u010desk\u00fd historik pro obdob\u00ed protektor\u00e1tu Jan B. Uhl\u00ed\u0159\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/cnn.iprima.cz\/historik-svatovaclavskym-radem-naciste-vyznamenali-2-500-cechu-za-vzorny-postoj-k-risi-34531\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">uvedl na ot\u00e1zku<\/a>:<br \/>\nV\u00a0roce 1942 byli z\u00e1stupci \u010desk\u00e9ho n\u00e1roda donuceni vykonat takzvanou N\u00e1rodn\u00ed p\u0159\u00edsahu v\u011brnosti \u0158\u00ed\u0161i, a to v\u010detn\u011b hajlov\u00e1n\u00ed p\u0159ed sochou svat\u00e9ho V\u00e1clava na pra\u017esk\u00e9m V\u00e1clavsk\u00e9m n\u00e1m\u011bst\u00ed. O co p\u0159esn\u011b \u0161lo?<em><strong>\u201e<\/strong><\/em><em>Vysv\u011btlen\u00ed hajluj\u00edc\u00edho V\u00e1clavsk\u00e9ho n\u00e1m\u011bst\u00ed je jednoduch\u00e9 a smutn\u00e9 z\u00e1rove\u0148. T\u011bsn\u011b p\u0159ed vlastn\u00ed \u201eN\u00e1rodn\u00ed p\u0159\u00edsahou v\u011brnosti \u0158\u00ed\u0161i\u201c, kter\u00e1 prob\u011bhla 3. \u010dervence 1942, si st\u00e1tn\u00ed tajemn\u00edk v \u00da\u0159adu \u0159\u00ed\u0161sk\u00e9ho protektora\u00a0<\/em><em><strong>Karl H. Frank svolal do Lucerny starosty \u010desk\u00fdch m\u011bst a obc\u00ed a pou\u010dil je, \u017ee oni budou st\u00e1t v prvn\u00edch \u0159ad\u00e1ch a uk\u00e1zkov\u011b zdravit n\u011bmeck\u00fdm pozdravem. V opa\u010dn\u00e9m p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b mohl konkr\u00e9tn\u00ed obec stihnout osud Lidic.<\/strong><\/em><em>\u00a0Kdo by si v takov\u00e9 situaci troufl nezvednout ruku k pozdravu? Kdo by si troufl ohrozit \u017eivoty ob\u010dan\u016f, za kter\u00e9 zodpov\u00eddal? \u010cemu se tedy div\u00edme? \u017de na\u0161i p\u0159edci hajlovali ze strachu? I mal\u00e9 d\u00edt\u011b v\u00ed, \u017ee pokud by mohli, poslali by Hitlera i s jeho novou Evropou kamsi\u2026\u201c<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>M. Zeman:<\/em><em><strong>\u00a0\u201e<\/strong><\/em><em>Vezm\u011bme si, kdy\u017e u\u017e vynech\u00e1m servilitu v\u016f\u010di Moskv\u011b po roce 1968, servilitu ze sou\u010dasn\u00e9 doby. Existuje politick\u00e1 neziskovka, kter\u00e1 se jmenuje Meeting Brno. Jak m\u011b informovali organiz\u00e1to\u0159i protestn\u00ed demonstrace, kter\u00e1 se m\u00e1 proti sudeton\u011bmeck\u00e9mu sn\u011bmu konat, je to neziskovka dotovan\u00e1 brn\u011bnsk\u00fdm magistr\u00e1tem a pen\u00edze dost\u00e1v\u00e1 i z rozpo\u010dtu Jihomoravsk\u00e9ho kraje. Tato neziskovka pozvala pana Posselta jako p\u0159edsedu Sudeton\u011bmeck\u00e9ho landsman\u0161aftu, aby sv\u016fj dal\u0161\u00ed sn\u011bm uspo\u0159\u00e1dal pr\u00e1v\u011b v Brn\u011b. P\u0159ipad\u00e1 mi, \u017ee t\u00edm navazuj\u00ed na tradici l\u00eds\u00e1n\u00ed se k mocn\u00fdm a kolaborace. Je to t\u011b\u017ek\u00e9 obvin\u011bn\u00ed, ale je bohu\u017eel podlo\u017eeno historick\u00fdmi fakty.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Pozn\u00e1mka:<\/strong>\u00a0Kdy\u017e u\u017e Milo\u0161 Zeman zm\u00ednil rok 1968, tak je dobr\u00e9 v\u011bd\u011bt, \u017ee v dob\u011b tzv. Pra\u017esk\u00e9ho jara napsaly n\u011bmeck\u00e9 noviny General Anzeiger, \u017ee \u201eSudet\u0161t\u00ed N\u011bmci budou o\u010dek\u00e1vat od \u010ceskoslovenska, osvobozen\u00e9ho od komunizmu,\u00a0<strong>n\u00e1vrat k Mnichovsk\u00e9 dohod\u011b<\/strong>, podle kter\u00e9 Sudetsk\u00e1 oblast v r. 1938 p\u0159ipadla N\u011bmecku\u201c. Na listopad 1968 byl napl\u00e1nov\u00e1n sjezd Sudeton\u011bmeck\u00e9ho landsman\u0161aftu v Karlov\u00fdch Varech.<br \/>\nLogicky jsme tedy po r. 1989, kdy u\u017e nad n\u00e1mi nebyl ochrann\u00fd de\u0161tn\u00edk velmoci SSSR, mohli o\u010dek\u00e1vat, \u017ee si n\u00e1s budou cht\u00edt N\u011bmci a jin\u00ed rozebrat. Milo\u0161 Zeman to nev\u011bd\u011bl?<\/p>\n<p><em>M. Zeman: \u201eReinhard Heydrich \u0159ekl o \u010ce\u0161\u00edch dv\u011b zaj\u00edmav\u00e9 v\u011bty. Prvn\u00ed byla, \u017ee tato zem\u011b byla v\u017edy n\u011bmeck\u00e1 a \u010cech zde nem\u00e1 co pohled\u00e1vat. Druh\u00e1 v\u011bta je m\u00e9n\u011b zn\u00e1m\u00e1. \u010cechy ozna\u010dil za sm\u011bj\u00edc\u00ed se bestie.<br \/>\nSkon\u010dil bych pozn\u00e1mkou: lid\u00e9 serviln\u00ed, lid\u00e9, kte\u0159\u00ed se r\u00e1di p\u0159il\u00edsaj\u00ed k jak\u00e9koli moci, jednou podep\u00ed\u0161\u00ed Antichartu, jednou zvac\u00ed dopis Berndu Posseltovi. Tito lid\u00e9 v\u00e1m budou \u0159\u00edkat, \u017ee jim jde o sm\u00ed\u0159en\u00ed. Anglick\u00fd p\u0159eklad slova usm\u00ed\u0159en\u00ed je appeasement. Z\u00e1jemci o historii zajist\u00e9 v\u011bd\u00ed, \u017ee\u00a0<\/em><em><strong>usm\u00ed\u0159en\u00ed neboli appeasement vedl k Mnichovsk\u00e9 dohod\u011b<\/strong><\/em><em>. Proto bych skon\u010dil jednoduchou prosbou.\u00a0<\/em><em><strong>Nesna\u017eme se usmi\u0159ovat se zlem<\/strong><\/em><em>.\u201c<\/em><\/p>\n<p>A\u0165 u\u017e \u0159ekl Milo\u0161 Zeman i v\u011bci, kter\u00e9 s n\u00edm nesd\u00edl\u00edm, je dob\u0159e, \u017ee se hlasit\u011b oz\u00fdv\u00e1 proti kon\u00e1n\u00ed sudeton\u011bmeck\u00e9ho sjezdu. Na jeho i dal\u0161\u00ed vystoupen\u00ed se m\u016f\u017eete pod\u00edvat.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"M.Zeman, J.Rajchl, J.Z.Hamplov\u00e1: Obrana \u010desk\u00fdch n\u00e1rodn\u00edch z\u00e1jm\u016f\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ZGbV_W7bB4s?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Z<a href=\"https:\/\/web.litterate.cz\/havel-nebo-pavel-kdo-se-klanel-popr-klani-pred-nemci-vic\/\">droj<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u010cesk\u00fd diplomat Rudolf Jindr\u00e1k vzpom\u00edn\u00e1, co v r.1991 p\u0159i n\u00e1v\u0161t\u011bv\u011b kancl\u00e9\u0159stv\u00ed v Bonnu p-rezident V\u00e1clav&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":18397,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[6],"tags":[1503,1173,7378,581,5135],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.infokuryr.cz\/n\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/105742"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.infokuryr.cz\/n\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.infokuryr.cz\/n\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.infokuryr.cz\/n\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.infokuryr.cz\/n\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=105742"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.infokuryr.cz\/n\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/105742\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.infokuryr.cz\/n\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/18397"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.infokuryr.cz\/n\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=105742"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.infokuryr.cz\/n\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=105742"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.infokuryr.cz\/n\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=105742"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}